Lowering a GTS-4? - Skyline Owners Club

General Zod · 29th October 2008, 12:16 PM

I`ve had a look around all the technical forums and could not find an awnser, so my apologies if this has been covered before.
I have a question for all us non-turbo owners out there, I drive an R33 GTS-4 two door (quite a rare model I belive), however mine is sitting far too high and I would like to drop it.
Is it true that apart from the 4 stud hub that the suspension is the same as the GTS-T and that I would be able to fit aftermarket suspension kit designed for that application?

**Daemon** · 29th October 2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by General Zod

I would be able to fit aftermarket suspension kit designed for that application?

I don't know the answer to your question, but would like to commend you on using posh talk!

General Zod · 29th October 2008, 01:12 PM

Thank you Sir, I have always striven to have a good command of the Queens English.
I see from your post you enjoy the "COD" perhaps we can fight side by side in battle, Sir?
My online persona is a one "JonnyRed701".

**Daemon** · 29th October 2008, 01:26 PM

Haha....yeah sure dude, add me, i'll warn you now though......I get a little crazy, you might not like what you see!

Getting ready for COD5, pwn some n00bs...frag out!

General Zod · 1st November 2008, 01:37 PM

The plot thickens. After doing some research, seems the GTS-4 suspension is more closely related to the GTR rather than the GTS-T.
I`m only after some lowering springs so if any traders out there know of an application that will fit send us a message. Money waiting!

General Zod · 2nd November 2008, 03:04 PM

More research, seems that GTS-T components will fit but not necessarily "work". Seems the front shocks will sit much shorter on the GTS-4 due to the higher placement of the lower mount which is required to clear the front drive shafts. Also stock GTS-T front spring rate and damper rates would be too low for a GTS-4 due to the extra weight (~12%) that a 4wd carries over the front wheels.

Seems the GTR kit is out too as their rear shocks have forks for the bottom mounts, not eyes like GTST's and GTS4's.

Seems Tein did a specific application for the GTS-4 at some point but I can`t find it anywhere.

Any R33 GTS-4 owners out there that have successfully lowered theirs? (Not R32 GTS-4 though, their a completey different kettle of fish).

**Moff** · 2nd November 2008, 03:06 PM

Interesting info...

Have a word with Garth at MGT, tell him I sent you, as he had a GTS4 as a daily runner a little while back.. MGT Racing Ltd

Moff

General Zod · 2nd November 2008, 03:57 PM

Cheers Moff, I`ve emailed Garth, now just wait and see what he says.
Thanks again, I`m off for a nosey round his website...

General Zod · 9th November 2008, 09:32 AM

The great people at Nengun Performance got back to me today, but unfortunately even they were stumped.
Garth at MGT is still on the case though, heres hoping...

**Moff** · 9th November 2008, 09:35 AM

good stuff, keep us posted

General Zod · 17th November 2008, 11:03 PM

Finally, a solution (of sorts).
Garth got back to me today, he had GTS-T coilovers fitted to his GTS-4.
He said the steering felt a little vague at speed, but I suspect he drives a little faster than I ever would.

So for day to day driving GTS-T kit should suffice me.
He also metioned that the front struts could be modified to be more suitable for the GTS-4, he did't go into specifics but I assume he means that a GTS-T coilover be adapted to the same "length" as a GTS-4 one.
He also suggested mixing kits, with GTR struts up front and GTS-T to the rear.
I'm going to go with GTS-T kit and will keep you posted on how I get on.
Thanks to everyone for their help.

**Moff** · 18th November 2008, 11:20 AM

Coolio...

Might find the spring rate might be slightly higher on GTS-4 front springs due to extra weight, but can't imagine it being a massive difference, let us know how you get on

**Little Kez** · 18th November 2008, 12:20 PM

i cant wait too see what these look like fitted, dont see many GTS4 around

General Zod · 18th November 2008, 01:17 PM

Well you can see pictures of mine in the introductions section, page nine, Thread "Hello to all".
I've replaced the wheels you see in the photos with Ultralite 941 specs (gunmetal with polished rims) you usually see them fitted to scoobys.
They came off my old car, a Honda Accord coupe (I know, I know, at least now I've seen the light

).
What you can't see is how tiny the wheels look in the arches, even though they are 18s. It does't help that the tyres are a rubber band like 35 profile.
The car looks like its jacked up on hydraulics.
Unfortunately, I'm overseas at the moment so I can't post pictures of it looking like a low-rider mid bounce.
I'm planning to fit some sideskirts when I get it lowered as the flanks look a little bare.
That awful 200sx backbox is going too, replacing with standard issue Skyline bean can.

I'll post pics when I get back late Dec.

29th October 2008, 12:16 PM	#1
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	Lowering a GTS-4? I`ve had a look around all the technical forums and could not find an awnser, so my apologies if this has been covered before. I have a question for all us non-turbo owners out there, I drive an R33 GTS-4 two door (quite a rare model I belive), however mine is sitting far too high and I would like to drop it. Is it true that apart from the 4 stud hub that the suspension is the same as the GTS-T and that I would be able to fit aftermarket suspension kit designed for that application?

29th October 2008, 01:26 PM	#4
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2nd November 2008, 03:06 PM	#7
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9th November 2008, 09:35 AM	#10
Moff SNOW !!! :) Area Rep Membership No. 105 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wokingham / Ulm Germany County: Berkshire Drives: 33 GTS-t Spec 2, Stagea, Clio Posts: 7,327	good stuff, keep us posted
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18th November 2008, 11:20 AM	#12
Moff SNOW !!! :) Area Rep Membership No. 105 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wokingham / Ulm Germany County: Berkshire Drives: 33 GTS-t Spec 2, Stagea, Clio Posts: 7,327	Coolio... Might find the spring rate might be slightly higher on GTS-4 front springs due to extra weight, but can't imagine it being a massive difference, let us know how you get on
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29th October 2008, 01:12 PM	#3
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	Thank you Sir, I have always striven to have a good command of the Queens English. I see from your post you enjoy the "COD" perhaps we can fight side by side in battle, Sir? My online persona is a one "JonnyRed701".

1st November 2008, 01:37 PM	#5
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	The plot thickens. After doing some research, seems the GTS-4 suspension is more closely related to the GTR rather than the GTS-T. I`m only after some lowering springs so if any traders out there know of an application that will fit send us a message. Money waiting!

2nd November 2008, 03:04 PM	#6
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	More research, seems that GTS-T components will fit but not necessarily "work". Seems the front shocks will sit much shorter on the GTS-4 due to the higher placement of the lower mount which is required to clear the front drive shafts. Also stock GTS-T front spring rate and damper rates would be too low for a GTS-4 due to the extra weight (~12%) that a 4wd carries over the front wheels. Seems the GTR kit is out too as their rear shocks have forks for the bottom mounts, not eyes like GTST's and GTS4's. Seems Tein did a specific application for the GTS-4 at some point but I can`t find it anywhere. Any R33 GTS-4 owners out there that have successfully lowered theirs? (Not R32 GTS-4 though, their a completey different kettle of fish).

2nd November 2008, 03:57 PM	#8
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	Cheers Moff, I`ve emailed Garth, now just wait and see what he says. Thanks again, I`m off for a nosey round his website...

9th November 2008, 09:32 AM	#9
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	The great people at Nengun Performance got back to me today, but unfortunately even they were stumped. Garth at MGT is still on the case though, heres hoping...

17th November 2008, 11:03 PM	#11
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	Finally, a solution (of sorts). Garth got back to me today, he had GTS-T coilovers fitted to his GTS-4. He said the steering felt a little vague at speed, but I suspect he drives a little faster than I ever would. So for day to day driving GTS-T kit should suffice me. He also metioned that the front struts could be modified to be more suitable for the GTS-4, he did't go into specifics but I assume he means that a GTS-T coilover be adapted to the same "length" as a GTS-4 one. He also suggested mixing kits, with GTR struts up front and GTS-T to the rear. I'm going to go with GTS-T kit and will keep you posted on how I get on. Thanks to everyone for their help.

18th November 2008, 12:20 PM	#13
Little Kez Skyline Owners Club Club Member Membership No. 759 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Wales County: Gwynedd Drives: Mitsubishi Colt Posts: 1,831	i cant wait too see what these look like fitted, dont see many GTS4 around

18th November 2008, 01:17 PM	#14
General Zod Skyline Enthusiast Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newton Aycliffe County: Northumberland Drives: R33 GTS-4 Posts: 101	Well you can see pictures of mine in the introductions section, page nine, Thread "Hello to all". I've replaced the wheels you see in the photos with Ultralite 941 specs (gunmetal with polished rims) you usually see them fitted to scoobys. They came off my old car, a Honda Accord coupe (I know, I know, at least now I've seen the light). What you can't see is how tiny the wheels look in the arches, even though they are 18s. It does't help that the tyres are a rubber band like 35 profile. The car looks like its jacked up on hydraulics. Unfortunately, I'm overseas at the moment so I can't post pictures of it looking like a low-rider mid bounce. I'm planning to fit some sideskirts when I get it lowered as the flanks look a little bare. That awful 200sx backbox is going too, replacing with standard issue Skyline bean can. I'll post pics when I get back late Dec.

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